Wowraid Bluethread Tracker http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html en-us Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:16:00 +0100 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:29:01 +0100 5 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#52 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#52 I think the word you're looking for is adaptation...

Q u o t e:
ad·ap·ta·tion
? ?/??p?te???n/ [ad-uhp-tey-shuhn]
-noun

Also, a·dap·tion ?/??d??n/ [uh-dap-shuhn]. Sociology. a slow, usually unconscious modification of individual and social activity in adjustment to cultural surroundings.
Let's move on now. Enjoy the interview for what it is. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Zarhym) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:16:00 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b7/t23425467230/icecrown-citadel-raid-buffs-active.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b7/t23425467230/icecrown-citadel-raid-buffs-active.html#0 ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Zarhym) Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:27:20 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#35 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#35 can i bump here? :D No thanks! :P In fact, please use our webform to contact us and we'll talk with you further about this issue via email.

https://www.wow-europe.com/community/webform/index.html [ Post edited by Wryxian ] ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:14:28 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#28 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#28 We're having a look to see if the FCM queue is being processed smoothly and quickly. We'll update this thread when we hear something back. OK that was quicker than expected! I checked with our technical staff and the FCM queue is actually pretty big right now -- these new FCMs we setup yesterday are seemingly quite popular! :-) But unfortunately this equates to delays in the time it takes to move. :-(

Anyhow the good news is we've increased the number of processors dealing with the FCM queue and it should be moving quicker now than it was before. We're going to keep an eye on it though and if we have any further update we'll post it here in this thread.

Lelemudina, if the character move completes for you, we'd appreciate if you tell us here -- and good luck ;-) ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:13:58 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#27 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#27 Average Wait Time: 8 Hours

and im waiting 17-18h kek.... We're having a look to see if the FCM queue is being processed smoothly and quickly. We'll update this thread when we hear something back. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:09:23 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b23/t12680047993/ptr--patch-notes-333.html#7 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b23/t12680047993/ptr--patch-notes-333.html#7

Classes Hunters: Heart of the Phoenix
Warriors: Thunderclap, Bladestorm
Items
Glyphs: Glyph of Focus


Update: 08.03.2010


Classes Warlocks: Dark Pact
Technical Frame rate note updated


Update: 02.03.2010


PvP Honorable Kills: Note on the 100% Honor increase clarified
Classes Druids: Mangle
Mages: Empowered Fire, Torment of the Weak
Rogues: Serrated Blades
Warriors: Trauma, Improved Revenge
Items Glyphs: Glyph of Mangle
Tier-10 Sets: priest healing 4-piece set bonus, shaman Elemental 4-piece set bonus
Technical Maximum frame rate capacity added


Update: 23.02.2010


Dungeons & Raids World Event Bosses: Moved from User Interface section; change explained in greater detail
Classes Death Knights: Chains of Ice, Icy Talons, Unholy Blight
Druids: Nature's Grasp, Starfall, Typhoon
Hunters: Ferocious Inspiration
Mages: Combustion
Rogues: Slaughter from the Shadows, Waylay
Warlocks: Life Tap
Warriors: Vitality
Items Glyphs: Glyph of Chains of Ice revision reverted (see Chains of Ice change)
Professions Engineering: Pet Bombling, Lil' Smoky ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ancilorn) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:42:06 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#21 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#21 I would like to know when The Sha'tar gets a FCT to anywhere outside the Vindication :( I payed over 140 euro's for PCT :( you gave Auchindoun Alliance a FCT :( It is unlikely this Role Playing realm will get FCMs away from it any time soon -- in fact as you can see the only FCMs are to the realm. FCMs are done for balancing realm populations and factions, we want to help encourage a healthier population on The Sha'tar, and not reduce it. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:19:13 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#20 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#20 Wryxian, niclely dogded, locking the last thread without any answers. Reposting my question then: It is standard practice to repost this thread every week. I'd advise you not to read too much into standard procedures.

Q u o t e:
What about realms that you can't play on between 20.00 and 23.00 every day for more then 2 weeks now due to constant server crashes every day?

Do I really need to pay for a Character Move to get out from Tarren Mill?
Or just accept that I can't play on Tarren Mill between 20.00 and 23.00? We have been working on resolving the issues on Tarren Mill and we have a thread about it here:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12730505453&sid=1

Our full focus is on resolving the issues the realm is experiencing, and things like FCM are not currently seen as the way to solve the issue: FCM is for balancing realm populations and factions.

Please keep all future questions relating to Tarren Mill to the above thread, as we will not be able to further respond about them here in this thread. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:16:19 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#17 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#17 Was So excited when i saw Runetotem -> Chamber of Aspects cuz i would of moved this and another char over to my main until i saw Alliance only ... We may consider opening Horde FCM on this realm, but we haven't as yet because Alliance is dominant. But if we did, Chamber of Aspects would not be the destination realm for Horde as that realm needs more Alliance love right now. ;-) ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:32:57 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#16 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#16 Sry didnt see that..in my country its day time...and y my chars are locked more then 12h...thats why im asking whats going on..cheers Well just so you know, sometimes when we open up FCMs on Wednesday, like we did yesterday, sometimes the rush to use the process has in the past meant delays of 24 hours or more. Anyhow, we'll see what we can find out and see if everything is going smoothly or not. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:29:15 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#15 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#15 As appreciated this is i really dont see why its not Alliance Only to Laughing Skull, the server is currently FILLED with Horde and we generally need way more Alliance players then Horde on this lovely server. The previous Alliance only FCMs were not bringing enough Alliance to the realm. So we are now trying something different. All of the realms that are source realms for FCM to Laughing Skull are either Alliance dominated or were until only very recently.

Anyhow, the main reason for this particular FCM is population related. Your realm is low populated and we want to help realms that are highly populated find a new and less crowded home. Sometimes people don't like it when any group of characters moves to their realm, especially if they are of the faction already dominant. But it is part of our continuing effort to ensure realm populations stay healthy across all realms. Don't worry, we still have faction balance in mind and we will be watching this carefully. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:27:38 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#13 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#13 I see blues are here but dont want to answer me...nice...ty Um, I think you need to check the time -- it was night. The Community team isn't in the office overnight.

Anyhow, we'll check and see if there's anything odd going on. Sometimes FCMs can just take some time though. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:09:53 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581730/ptr-maintenance-3102010.html#1 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581730/ptr-maintenance-3102010.html#1 no-reply@wowraid.com (Ujumqin) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:35:40 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581868/pvp-a-blizzard-employee-iv.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581868/pvp-a-blizzard-employee-iv.html#0
We will be hosting another PvP event on the US realm Anasterian tomorrow (3-11-2010) at 4:00PM PST! Queue for Random Battlegrounds for your shot to PvP with us!

What: Random Battleground Finder
Who: Blizzard QA
Horde - 'Blizzard' guild
Alliance - 'Blizzard QA' guild
Place: US Server Anasterian (Those on Broxigar can participate by Queueing for a Random Battleground)
Time: 4:00PM PST
Date: 3/11/2010

(Note: Time/Event is subject to change.) ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ujumqin) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:12:31 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#39 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#39 /yawn

Maybe little dude should've stayed in school instead of grinding battlegrounds, given he thinks "adaption" is a word.
Adaption is a word you silly goose. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Zarhym) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:54:44 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#10 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#10 What about Mazrigos? Did you check previous threads? We've replied on that question only a few days ago:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12730485505&sid=1&pageNo=2#37 ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:57:43 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581730/ptr-maintenance-3102010.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581730/ptr-maintenance-3102010.html#0
This thread will be updated as more information becomes available. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ujumqin) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:54:40 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878618015/1003-new-fan-art-earthbind.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878618015/1003-new-fan-art-earthbind.html#0
We're always looking for new fan art and if you're an artist, you can submit your work to us here. We update the Gallery regularly and encourage you to check regularly to see what new and talented submissions are on display.

Fan art page: http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/community/fanart/index.html
Fan art submission page: http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/community/fanart/rules.html ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Slorkuz) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:57:29 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878618014/1003-community-interviews-exorsus-and-enigma.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878618014/1003-community-interviews-exorsus-and-enigma.html#0
Exorsus, currently the third best guild in the world, is also the top Russian and former top European guild. We met Viksh, its leader, to talk about how the guild was created, what makes it different from others, and how a team should be ruled to be efficient.

In the second interview, we speak with Fraya, the leader of the Enigma guild on the Deathwing realm, about his most memorable moments over five years of playing, Enigma's experience in high-end raiding, and where the guild expects to find itself in Cataclysm and beyond.

Check out the anniversary site to read the full interviews.

Anniversary Site: http://www.wow-europe.com/wowanniversary/interview/
Exorsus Interview: http://www.wow-europe.com/wowanniversary/interview/exorsus.xml
Enigma Interview: http://www.wow-europe.com/wowanniversary/interview/enigma.xml ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Slorkuz) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:55:24 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710611519/travel-azeroth.html#79 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710611519/travel-azeroth.html#79 no-reply@wowraid.com (Nethaera) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:28:43 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581594/new-random-battleground-issues.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710581594/new-random-battleground-issues.html#0
We need your help in collecting information on issues you may be running into while using the Random Battleground feature. Specifically we want to know if you are experiencing the following (and when you experienced these issues):
Not being able to enter Battlegrounds when the queue pops.
Not being resurrected by the Spirit Healer when dying in a Battleground.
Unable to see Spirit Healers after dying in a Battleground.
Getting stuck in a Battleground after the match has finished.
Becoming un-killable after dying in a Battleground.

If you've come across other issues related to Battlegrounds that are not included in the list, please describe what you were seeing and when you were seeing it.

Thanks!

This is not a thread for reporting hackers on the PTR! If you want to report someone for hacking please report it here:
http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=eHacks000
]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ujumqin) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:17:55 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710611519/travel-azeroth.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710611519/travel-azeroth.html#0


]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Nethaera) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:58:41 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#34 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#34
If for some reason, you aren't enjoying these, that's OK. Perhaps it's just not your thing. For the others that do, we hope we can continue to give you something interesting to read so you can learn more about others in the community and find commonalities or interesting things that perhaps you'd like to try too. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Nethaera) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:42:32 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12878617896/1003-realms--free-character-moves.html#0
New Player Realms
Normal/PvE: Vek'nilash
PvP: Boulderfist

Free Character Moves (FCM)
The free Character Moves below are available until the end of March 16th. To use a free Character Move, please login to your Account Management and select Character Move, or click on the following link:
https://www.wow-europe.com/character/character-move.html

Please note: FCMs are opened based on realm population tracking and analysis and not by request. If you're looking for a specific Character Move (from realm A to realm B), you are in most cases better off using Paid Character Transfer, or you could end up waiting for a very long time. For more information on FCMs, please check our Support FAQ:
http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=30558

PvE Realms

Alliance only:
From: Runetotem, Silvermoon
To: Vek'nilash, Chamber of Aspects

Horde only:
From: Draenor
To: Vek'nilash, Bronzebeard

PvP Realms

From: Burning Legion, Darksorrow, Grim Batol, Outland, Sylvanas
To: Boulderfist, Laughing Skull

From: Crushridge
To: Hakkar

Alliance only:
From: Auchindoun, Frostmane, Neptulon, Ravencrest
To: Ahn'Qiraj, Al'Akir, Boulderfist, Dragonmaw, Emeriss

Horde only:
From: Al'Akir, Kazzak, Magtheridon, Stormscale
To: Trollbane

RP Realms

From: Argent Dawn
To: Darkmoon Faire, Earthen Ring, Moonglade, Steamwheedle Cartel, The Sha'tar

PvP to PvE Realm Conversion FCM
The free Character Moves below are available until midnight tonight (March 10th):

From: Vek'nilash
To: Haomarush, Trollbane, Zenedar
For more information on this Realm Conversion, please check this link:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12304662580

Paid Character Transfers (PCT)
All English realms follow the regular PCT rules, found here:
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/faq/paidcharactertransfer.html ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:53:06 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12730485505/0303-realms--free-character-moves.html#54 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b25/t12730485505/0303-realms--free-character-moves.html#54 no-reply@wowraid.com (Wryxian) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:27:07 +0100 WoW EU forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710581166/community-interviews-enigma-.html#0
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wowanniversary/interview/

While there, be sure to read our interviews with members from the guild Shadowclan, and with forum MVP Palehoof if you have not already! ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Zarhym) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:28:05 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710390985/pvp-a-blizzard-employee-iii.html#0 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b1/t23710390985/pvp-a-blizzard-employee-iii.html#0
We will be hosting another PvP event on the US realms Anasterian today! Queue for Random Battlegrounds for your shot to PvP with us!

What: Random Battleground Finder
Who: Blizzard QA
Place: US Servers Anasterian (you can still Random queue in Broxigar for a chance to play with us)
Time: 4:00PM - 5:00PM
Date: 3/9/2010

(Note: Time/Event is subject to change.)
]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ujumqin) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:08:28 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#62 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#62
Thanks it's really nice to see all the updates coming to us this spring!

I gotta admit though it's a little hard for me to understand from reading it. I think if you could add some pictures with an update to the Cataclysm page, that would help us "visual learners" have a better understanding of what's coming :) Please.

(Like of an example talent tree, hovering over some of the talents and showing the "+passive bonus" that would be on them, or a weapon or piece of armor tooltip with the "+ whatever" on it, that sort of thing)



We'll be sharing more on the mastery system soon, (possibly with visuals), right now we wanted to provide a basic understanding of the system and open up some discussion. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:00:17 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#59 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#59

But at present there are Passive abilities in different Talent trees people have wanted, that are outside their main tree.

In the current system we can still pick them up.


Now you are rolling the Passive bonuses into the mastery system and then preventing us from having any of the passive benefits outside our main tree.

(Hypothetical Example) My Arms warrior may be getting a nice Passive bonus to Hit, but I'm not allowed to take the Passive Crit bonus from Fury or Dodge bonus from Prot.


People are forced to spend up to the Mastery Cap in a single tree or find themselves gimped.


Talent trees are being completely redesigned. The original posts explains some of this in greater detail. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:57:26 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#62 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#62
Thanks it's really nice to see all the updates coming to us this spring!

I gotta admit though it's a little hard for me to understand from reading it. I think if you could add some pictures with an update to the Cataclysm page, that would help us "visual learners" have a better understanding of what's coming :) Please.

(Like of an example talent tree, hovering over some of the talents and showing the "+passive bonus" that would be on them, or a weapon or piece of armor tooltip with the "+ whatever" on it, that sort of thing)



We'll be sharing more on the mastery system soon, (possibly with visuals), right now we wanted to provide a basic understanding of the system and open up some discussion. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:00:17 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#62 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#62
Thanks it's really nice to see all the updates coming to us this spring!

I gotta admit though it's a little hard for me to understand from reading it. I think if you could add some pictures with an update to the Cataclysm page, that would help us "visual learners" have a better understanding of what's coming :) Please.

(Like of an example talent tree, hovering over some of the talents and showing the "+passive bonus" that would be on them, or a weapon or piece of armor tooltip with the "+ whatever" on it, that sort of thing)



We'll be sharing more on the mastery system soon, (possibly with visuals), right now we wanted to provide a basic understanding of the system and open up some discussion. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:00:17 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#59 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#59

But at present there are Passive abilities in different Talent trees people have wanted, that are outside their main tree.

In the current system we can still pick them up.


Now you are rolling the Passive bonuses into the mastery system and then preventing us from having any of the passive benefits outside our main tree.

(Hypothetical Example) My Arms warrior may be getting a nice Passive bonus to Hit, but I'm not allowed to take the Passive Crit bonus from Fury or Dodge bonus from Prot.


People are forced to spend up to the Mastery Cap in a single tree or find themselves gimped.


Talent trees are being completely redesigned. The original posts explains some of this in greater detail. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:57:26 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#59 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#59

But at present there are Passive abilities in different Talent trees people have wanted, that are outside their main tree.

In the current system we can still pick them up.


Now you are rolling the Passive bonuses into the mastery system and then preventing us from having any of the passive benefits outside our main tree.

(Hypothetical Example) My Arms warrior may be getting a nice Passive bonus to Hit, but I'm not allowed to take the Passive Crit bonus from Fury or Dodge bonus from Prot.


People are forced to spend up to the Mastery Cap in a single tree or find themselves gimped.


Talent trees are being completely redesigned. The original posts explains some of this in greater detail. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:57:26 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#47 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#47

I don't understand the logic of enforcing such a limiting mechanic.

Maybe spreading your Talents around isn't done by very many people but why should the people who do it be punished for not conforming to the majority.



When you look at things like the benefits of Holy vs. Disc. the first two benefits are identical but if I do an even split between the two I end up with worse healing and worse mana regen than if I had gone into a single tree.

You seem to be using the mastery system as a straight jacket to enforce the "acceptable" play styles.

You're not being punished. There will be a cap, if you choose to spend points in another tree before you reach that cap, and are giving up some passive bonuses, than you've determined that the talents you're gaining in the other tree are more meaningful to you.

This will allow for further customization, as there will be some pretty cool choices involved when building your character that weren't present before. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:49:15 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#47 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#47

I don't understand the logic of enforcing such a limiting mechanic.

Maybe spreading your Talents around isn't done by very many people but why should the people who do it be punished for not conforming to the majority.



When you look at things like the benefits of Holy vs. Disc. the first two benefits are identical but if I do an even split between the two I end up with worse healing and worse mana regen than if I had gone into a single tree.

You seem to be using the mastery system as a straight jacket to enforce the "acceptable" play styles.

You're not being punished. There will be a cap, if you choose to spend points in another tree before you reach that cap, and are giving up some passive bonuses, than you've determined that the talents you're gaining in the other tree are more meaningful to you.

This will allow for further customization, as there will be some pretty cool choices involved when building your character that weren't present before. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:49:15 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#47 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#47

I don't understand the logic of enforcing such a limiting mechanic.

Maybe spreading your Talents around isn't done by very many people but why should the people who do it be punished for not conforming to the majority.



When you look at things like the benefits of Holy vs. Disc. the first two benefits are identical but if I do an even split between the two I end up with worse healing and worse mana regen than if I had gone into a single tree.

You seem to be using the mastery system as a straight jacket to enforce the "acceptable" play styles.

You're not being punished. There will be a cap, if you choose to spend points in another tree before you reach that cap, and are giving up some passive bonuses, than you've determined that the talents you're gaining in the other tree are more meaningful to you.

This will allow for further customization, as there will be some pretty cool choices involved when building your character that weren't present before. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:49:15 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#34 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#34

Please for the love the Light let the ret tree actually change.

Ret? Shoot, Greg -- we remembered to attach the mastery system to retribution, right...??

I kid, I kid! ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:36:26 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#34 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#34

Please for the love the Light let the ret tree actually change.

Ret? Shoot, Greg -- we remembered to attach the mastery system to retribution, right...??

I kid, I kid! ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:36:26 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#31 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#31

Won't having this ceiling pigeonhold "pure" classes into builds where putting points in a tree that go past the ceiling will be sub-optimal as you will be missing out on mastery from your sub trees, i.e. ending up with all builds being 51/24/0 and no builds being 61/14/0 because you just lost 10 points of mastery bonus?


It's hard to set stuff like this in stone until we explore what kinds of builds will be popular, but assume that you don't get anything for the sub spec (except for the actual talents, which are presumably still valuable or you wouldn't be sub-speccing).
]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:31:42 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#31 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#31

Won't having this ceiling pigeonhold "pure" classes into builds where putting points in a tree that go past the ceiling will be sub-optimal as you will be missing out on mastery from your sub trees, i.e. ending up with all builds being 51/24/0 and no builds being 61/14/0 because you just lost 10 points of mastery bonus?


It's hard to set stuff like this in stone until we explore what kinds of builds will be popular, but assume that you don't get anything for the sub spec (except for the actual talents, which are presumably still valuable or you wouldn't be sub-speccing).
]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:31:42 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#27 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#27


Thanks for answers to the last three, they actually make perfect sense, somewhat.

However, the problem was with answer number one. in a spec like 38/38/0 or 29/29/18, for lets say rogues, what tree are you receiving passives from? Niether assasination nor combat have the majority, and it certaintly not subtlety. The problem lies with the inherent factor that in such scenario, you are reciveing passives from either TWO trees or NONE.

It's actually very uncommon for players to go even across the board. If you spend your first talent point in assassination, your second in combat and your third in subtlety then yes, that problem might exist. There are other cases where someone might choose to do so at max level as well. We'll just have to come up with a simple rule, such as your last point spent wins in cases of a talent tree "tie" -- (just an example). As long as everyone knows and understand the rule that's used, you can play around it in the off-chance the situation comes up. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:29:36 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#27 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#27


Thanks for answers to the last three, they actually make perfect sense, somewhat.

However, the problem was with answer number one. in a spec like 38/38/0 or 29/29/18, for lets say rogues, what tree are you receiving passives from? Niether assasination nor combat have the majority, and it certaintly not subtlety. The problem lies with the inherent factor that in such scenario, you are reciveing passives from either TWO trees or NONE.

It's actually very uncommon for players to go even across the board. If you spend your first talent point in assassination, your second in combat and your third in subtlety then yes, that problem might exist. There are other cases where someone might choose to do so at max level as well. We'll just have to come up with a simple rule, such as your last point spent wins in cases of a talent tree "tie" -- (just an example). As long as everyone knows and understand the rule that's used, you can play around it in the off-chance the situation comes up. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:29:36 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#34 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#34

Please for the love the Light let the ret tree actually change.

Ret? Shoot, Greg -- we remembered to attach the mastery system to retribution, right...??

I kid, I kid! ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:36:26 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#31 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#31

Won't having this ceiling pigeonhold "pure" classes into builds where putting points in a tree that go past the ceiling will be sub-optimal as you will be missing out on mastery from your sub trees, i.e. ending up with all builds being 51/24/0 and no builds being 61/14/0 because you just lost 10 points of mastery bonus?


It's hard to set stuff like this in stone until we explore what kinds of builds will be popular, but assume that you don't get anything for the sub spec (except for the actual talents, which are presumably still valuable or you wouldn't be sub-speccing).
]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:31:42 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#27 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#27


Thanks for answers to the last three, they actually make perfect sense, somewhat.

However, the problem was with answer number one. in a spec like 38/38/0 or 29/29/18, for lets say rogues, what tree are you receiving passives from? Niether assasination nor combat have the majority, and it certaintly not subtlety. The problem lies with the inherent factor that in such scenario, you are reciveing passives from either TWO trees or NONE.

It's actually very uncommon for players to go even across the board. If you spend your first talent point in assassination, your second in combat and your third in subtlety then yes, that problem might exist. There are other cases where someone might choose to do so at max level as well. We'll just have to come up with a simple rule, such as your last point spent wins in cases of a talent tree "tie" -- (just an example). As long as everyone knows and understand the rule that's used, you can play around it in the off-chance the situation comes up. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:29:36 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#21 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#21 Currently as a Frost DK i have absolutely NO issues with Runic Power and as this appears to only flood me with more runic power that i don't need. Even with KM up my Obliterates hit for 4-5k more then my Frost Strikes. I am assuming though that maybe we are to gain additional Runic Power Dumps?

I know it's hard to get a feel for the design when you can't see the complete picture, but talent trees are changing for Cataclysm. As Eyonix referenced above, we are changing the DK rune mechanic a little so that you aren't so GCD constrained. This in turn will give us a chance to rebalance how much runic power Frost gets. Remember that in many cases we are pulling talents out of the trees and giving them to you as passive bonuses. In general if you see a passive talent tree bonus and think to yourself "Hmm, that doesn't sound very good for me," then it's probably because we haven't revealed the changes that lead to that being attractive to you.

By all means mention concerns though. That's one of the reasons we like to announce changes like this early. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ghostcrawler) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:26:09 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#21 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b3/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#21 Currently as a Frost DK i have absolutely NO issues with Runic Power and as this appears to only flood me with more runic power that i don't need. Even with KM up my Obliterates hit for 4-5k more then my Frost Strikes. I am assuming though that maybe we are to gain additional Runic Power Dumps?

I know it's hard to get a feel for the design when you can't see the complete picture, but talent trees are changing for Cataclysm. As Eyonix referenced above, we are changing the DK rune mechanic a little so that you aren't so GCD constrained. This in turn will give us a chance to rebalance how much runic power Frost gets. Remember that in many cases we are pulling talents out of the trees and giving them to you as passive bonuses. In general if you see a passive talent tree bonus and think to yourself "Hmm, that doesn't sound very good for me," then it's probably because we haven't revealed the changes that lead to that being attractive to you.

By all means mention concerns though. That's one of the reasons we like to announce changes like this early. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ghostcrawler) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:26:09 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#21 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#21 Currently as a Frost DK i have absolutely NO issues with Runic Power and as this appears to only flood me with more runic power that i don't need. Even with KM up my Obliterates hit for 4-5k more then my Frost Strikes. I am assuming though that maybe we are to gain additional Runic Power Dumps?

I know it's hard to get a feel for the design when you can't see the complete picture, but talent trees are changing for Cataclysm. As Eyonix referenced above, we are changing the DK rune mechanic a little so that you aren't so GCD constrained. This in turn will give us a chance to rebalance how much runic power Frost gets. Remember that in many cases we are pulling talents out of the trees and giving them to you as passive bonuses. In general if you see a passive talent tree bonus and think to yourself "Hmm, that doesn't sound very good for me," then it's probably because we haven't revealed the changes that lead to that being attractive to you.

By all means mention concerns though. That's one of the reasons we like to announce changes like this early. ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Ghostcrawler) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:26:09 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23614404862/mastery-system-preview.html#584 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23614404862/mastery-system-preview.html#584
New Mastery System Preview Post -

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23710210871&sid=1 ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:53:09 +0100 WoW US forum http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#8 http://wowraid.com/tracker/b49/t23710210871/mastery-system-preview.html#8 First, Welcome back Eyonix.

Second, here' s a compilation of the burning questions form the thread so far.

1. 28/28/20 spec. Does mastery on gear affect both highest trees or give no benefit at all?

2. How are ferals and Dks as tanks working with mastery system in place? Are they to care about it for threat or do they have separate bonuses.

3. How are the non-pure classes going to be balanced against those with a full 76 point passive benefit? Balance, enhancement(not so much), shadow, feral, ele, resto, holy and Ret all have this issue.
4. Hybrids who use spells not improved by their spec on occasion such as heals or the extra lava burst are feeling that their non-specced spells are going to be extremely weak as compared to now.

I think that covers it.

Reposted for the new thread.

1) Mastery on gear gives you one bonus. That bonus is the third passive (the unique one) in the tree in which you've spent the most points. In the examples we gave, those are Absorption, Radiance and Runic Power generation.

2) Ferals will have passive bonuses that say Cat: melee damage done, Bear: damage reduction. For death knights we have a different plan in mind that we're not quite ready to discuss. DKs are undergoing some slight changes so they aren't so GCD constrained and are less limited by rune cooldowns.

3) Assume you only get the passive bonuses for the tree in which you've spent the most points, and there is a ceiling per tree (which could be something like 51-55 talent points). If you spend more points than that in a tree you still get the benefits of the talent. If you spend points in another tree, you are benefiting from those talents instead. Unless you try to make say a 40 / 36 / 0 build, you shouldn't be losing passive bonuses.

If you turn level 10 and spend 1 point in Discipline, you are now a Disc priest. You receive the Disc talent tree passive bonuses and mastery rating on gear benefits your Disc passive bonus (Absorption). If you reach level 85 and have 70 points in Disc and 6 in Holy, you are still a Disc priest and the same rules apply. If you change your build to 51 Disc / 20 Holy / 5 Shadow, you are still a Disc priest.

4) They are weak now and the intent is to keep them that way. We aren't trying to nerf them any more than they are today. If we want to make sure Resto shaman can do big Lava Bursts, we'll give them a talent or something to make that happen. We don't want Resto shaman to Lava Burst anywhere on the scale of an Elemental shaman. Again, how they perform today is pretty much the target for where we want to end up.
[ Post edited by Eyonix ] ]]> no-reply@wowraid.com (Eyonix) Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:00:42 +0100 WoW US forum